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as flirting and tasting and curiosity is

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fast and it's slow and it's rising and

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falling it's every moment every hope

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every dream every piece of the cosmic

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it's life and it's yours Scientology

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know yourself

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no life I mean imagine if you were a

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seer member you grew up in Scientology

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your parents are Sea Org members you

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have a credit card you have no bank

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account you have no credit history where

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the hell would you go you know that if

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you walked out the front door and never

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look back you physically could do it but

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you would lose your entire family you

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would lose all of your friends if you

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were married and your wife was still

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probably never speak to you again

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[Music]

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I'm Ryan Sprague welcome to part two of

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our series breaking the billion dollar

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year contract of Scientology with

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ex-member Jolin chinked in part 1 we

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covered how Joey navigated his way up

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the ranks having been born into this

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deeply disturbing religion we talked

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about what he endured with his time you

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see or the terrifying things he witness

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and what finally prompted him to leave

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Scientology but that was only half the

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story if you haven't heard part one I

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highly suggest listening to it before

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jumping in with us right now in part two

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joy brings us on the wild ride of being

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sent to federal prison testifying under

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oath about what he experienced in the

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Church of Scientology the unfortunate

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consequences when he finally decided to

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leave the church completely and then we

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dig deep into the church's mysterious

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new reader and answer with your

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questions so let's get to our tune of

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breaking the billion-year contract of

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scientology this is part two of our

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scientology two-part series here on

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someone the skies joey thank you for

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coming back with me man absolutely so we

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we sort of ended on a cliffhanger when

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you started working for your father at

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the Gary you had something really

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interesting happen that um that went far

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beyond Scientology and you ended up in

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federal court so if you did tell us how

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this all went down yeah how this kind of

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led to you becoming both a conflict and

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an SP in sp yes also have to explain to

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us yeah yes a story yes okay so my my

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father has has always been an antique

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Chinese art Japanese are Korean whatever

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the years and over the decades every

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ivory or something that at one point

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into wildlife smuggling and so they came

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incorrect like making it like making a

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exported out of the country without the

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pleading guilty to making a false or

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the Fish and Wildlife company Wow so so

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the Asian goddess of mercy and it was

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contact person it eventually went to

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auction and it was a beautiful item so

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hundred thousand dollars and then so

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contacted me and he was like okay great

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you to ship it for me I said great do

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in New Jersey or whatever the address

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was that we had on file and he said no I

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China and I said no we can't do that

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because it's illegal to export it

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without the proper permits and I don't

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know the first thing about getting those

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permits so then he said okay hold on I'm

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gonna call you right back and then he

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calls me back the next day and he was

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like can you ship it to a client of mine

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in Canada and I said again I can't but

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shipping company because I don't know

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how to do any of those permit so he says

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next thing he calls me back a third time

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and then he says okay how about this how

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about you make me an invoice that says

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that it's made out of something else

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like plastic or something and you just

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was the kicker that was a that was that

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was the kicker the jig is up so then

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eventually I play guilty to that thing

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obviously and then I went before the

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judge for sentencing and it doesn't

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matter what the case is it doesn't

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matter what the situation is anybody

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that comes in front of a judge to plead

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guilty to something and then get

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sentenced to something the prosecutors

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right a sentencing brief that talks

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and what they believe is the proper

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punishment in this case they were asking

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for two and a half to three years in

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prison my lawyer wrote up another

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sentencing brief in my defense talking

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proper education I kind of was forced

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whole other series of different

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circumstances that led that ended up you

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know leading me to be standing in front

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of a judge which by the way you can go

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online and if you just google my name

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the entire sentencing brief is is up

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online if anybody wants to read it oh

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the thing that my my lawyer talked about

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in the sentencing brief was is that you

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know my upbringing in Scientology and

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the physical abuse and the emotional

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abuse and of course the sexual abuse

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that I was was a victim of in

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Scientology and the judge after reading

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both sides he agreed with my lawyer and

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he was like yeah this this part of

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Scientology played a huge part and of

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course I obviously made a huge I made a

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mistake in doing and I apologized for it

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and the judge recognized that as well so

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he sentenced me to a sentence way lower

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than what the government was asking for

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he sentenced me to a sentence of 12

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months in one day and the reason why he

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did the one day extra is because in the

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federal system if you are sentenced to a

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prison term for more than a year you get

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time off for good behavior

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hmm so I ended up spending eight and a

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half months in prison as opposed to the

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full year yeah so so that happened and

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then but of course when that happened I

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had publicly badmouth Scientology not

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just from the sentencing but from what I

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said to the judge in front of in front

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of him under oath I di under under oath

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in a federal court and I I knew the

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consequences of that because when you

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speak publicly about Scientology in a

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negative way you become what is called a

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suppressive person so a suppressive

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person is the label that Scientology

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uses on people to indicate that they are

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evil they are are harmful to Scientology

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and basically anybody who wants to

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suppress or wants to keep other people

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down in this case there's that they're

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saying that I publicly bash cyant

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Scientology and of course they're the

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most ethical group on the planet uh-huh

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so therefore I attacked them so then

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they labeled me a suppressive person and

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then the consequences of that is that

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Scientologists are not allowed to talk

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to or be in any sort of relationship

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with anybody who's labeled a suppressive

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person so my entire family is in

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Scientology so they disconnected from me

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and disconnected is the word that

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Scientology uses for

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it's basically like a religious shunning

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so so they cut so they have to cut all

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ties with me all of my friends that are

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still in Scientology they stopped

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talking to me they blocked me on

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was it was really weird too because

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a month or two before I had to self

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surrender to the to the federal prison

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and word quite hadn't gotten out yet my

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family was still talking to me they

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pretended like everything was okay but I

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could tell something was going on in the

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background they were just sort of

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waiting for me to go to prison

279
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uh-huh so then I went into prison and

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then I did my ate I ate half months

281
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which by the way was much easier than

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being in the Sea Org for four years yeah

283
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yeah yeah yeah it is and then and then

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so when I got out of prison you know and

285
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I looked at my phone for the FIR cuz you

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don't have internet access in prison I

287
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looked at my phone for the first time

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you know I had like I don't know 20 or

289
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30 less friends and and a couple of

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people had emailed me and said you know

291
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dear Joey I have to disconnect from you

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because you you attacked my religion and

293
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you know until you can until you confess

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your sins and get your together

295
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basically I don't want to ever have

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communication with you anymore

297
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so yeah and people who were people were

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suppressive persons they can if they

299
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want to go back to Scientology and get

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back in their good graces but they have

301
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to crawl back on their hands and knees

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and beg for forgiveness and admit that

303
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they did everything wrong and that the

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church is not responsible for anything

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that happened to them which is never the

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case but I will never crawl back to any

307
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of those people ever again okay

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so this was the point where you

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basically decided to leave the church I

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would assume that was it yeah well for

311
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first several years prior to that I had

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been I think we talked about it in the

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in the last episode where you know it's

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sort of like it took years for me to

315
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slowly kind of you know kind of wake up

316
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and realize like looking online and

317
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saying right yes and that that all

318
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started in like 2005 or 2006 is when I

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started doing that so

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so by the time I had gotten to that

321
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point where I was standing in front of

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the judge I had already been mentally

323
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out of Scientology for nearly a decade I

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would I never said anything about it out

325
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loud because I didn't want to lose my

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family so then at that point I was like

327
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you know what what better time is now to

328
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like actually tell my truth and talk

329
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about how you know I grew up in this as

330
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as a gay man and a homophobic religion

331
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and like you you what you guys are not

332
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gonna put me in the same position ever

333
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again I can talk about whatever I want I

334
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can say you know whoever I want to I I

335
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can say what I want to who to whomever I

336
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want and there's nobody that can stop me

337
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yeah and I'm so angry that like you are

338
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speaking up now and yes I can't imagine

339
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it's easy with the whole disconnection

340
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thing no that's something the church

341
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still denies up until today am i correct

342
00:14:41,660 --> 00:14:38,970
yeah which is ridiculous because Hubbard

343
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wrote it he he specifically wrote it he

344
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said if you encounter a suppressive

345
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person you have to a handle them or B

346
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disconnect from them I mean it's in

347
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black and white he says it very clearly

348
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and he specifically says it's like if

349
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you have an SP kick him out of the

350
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church that's it and the church enforces

351
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this and the fact that they deny it or

352
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the fact that they say oh no it's blown

353
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out of its it's like blown out of

354
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proportion or something like that I hear

355
00:15:13,369 --> 00:15:10,410
stories every day I still get phone

356
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calls and emails from people on a fairly

357
00:15:16,939 --> 00:15:15,449
regular basis you know kids that I went

358
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to school with and grew up with or

359
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perfect or perfect strangers who say

360
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they cannot they want to speak out

361
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against Scientology but they're afraid

362
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to because they know if they do they're

363
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gonna lose their family and I'm like

364
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listen I feel sorry for you because I

365
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was in that exact same position and it's

366
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one of those things it's it's almost

367
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like if you're gay and you're coming out

368
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of the closet it's like you have to do

369
00:15:42,860 --> 00:15:40,110
it yourself right I can't know for you

370
00:15:43,939 --> 00:15:42,870
yep I can't I can't you know and it's

371
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like people are gonna do what they're

372
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gonna do and but again I was in that

373
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same position for a very very long time

374
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so I know how they feel but it's like

375
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until they actually speak out and until

376
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they actually speak their truth they're

377
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never really gonna be full

378
00:16:00,650 --> 00:15:58,350
be happy right yes sir yes they're gonna

379
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lose their parents and you know some of

380
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them still work for their parents like I

381
00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:03,420
used to do and some of them are gonna

382
00:16:07,700 --> 00:16:04,890
lose their jobs and their and their

383
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livelihood so I get it I get why you why

384
00:16:11,750 --> 00:16:09,450
you can't say anything but yeah that's

385
00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:11,760
yeah like I can't even imagine for the

386
00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:13,890
people still suffering through that and

387
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going through that and you know the

388
00:16:20,870 --> 00:16:18,360
whole idea of the suppressive person

389
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Joey is another part of this mhm and

390
00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:24,210
it's it's something that I gotta ask you

391
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about with your parents yes score

392
00:16:35,870 --> 00:16:35,430
busting you knew I was going to little

393
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famous

394
00:16:40,670 --> 00:16:38,130
insight a little bit and and in the

395
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mainstream yeah a little bit doing

396
00:16:45,470 --> 00:16:42,660
what's called squirrel busting please

397
00:16:50,420 --> 00:16:45,480
tell me about what this is and yes what

398
00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:50,430
it okay why it's used so another regular

399
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English word that Hubbard took and put a

400
00:16:58,040 --> 00:16:55,350
completely different meaning on it the

401
00:17:01,900 --> 00:16:58,050
day the definition of the word squirrel

402
00:17:05,060 --> 00:17:01,910
in Scientology is somebody that is using

403
00:17:07,090 --> 00:17:05,070
Scientology technology you know in a

404
00:17:09,710 --> 00:17:07,100
different way or using it without

405
00:17:12,380 --> 00:17:09,720
authorization so like let's say that

406
00:17:15,590 --> 00:17:12,390
let's say that now I decide to audit you

407
00:17:18,500 --> 00:17:15,600
Ryan on some Scientology technology that

408
00:17:21,020 --> 00:17:18,510
would make me a squirrel because I'm a

409
00:17:23,830 --> 00:17:21,030
suppressive person and I would be giving

410
00:17:26,780 --> 00:17:23,840
you auditing outside of the authorized

411
00:17:29,300 --> 00:17:26,790
area of Scientology or if I was giving

412
00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:29,310
you Scientology auditing or teaching you

413
00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:30,570
Scientology things that were completely

414
00:17:35,990 --> 00:17:33,090
wrong that's a squirrel so a squirrel

415
00:17:37,970 --> 00:17:36,000
Buster is somebody like my parents who

416
00:17:40,550 --> 00:17:37,980
goes to people who they know are

417
00:17:42,230 --> 00:17:40,560
squirrels and they try to call them out

418
00:17:44,810 --> 00:17:42,240
on their so what they were

419
00:17:47,050 --> 00:17:44,820
doing is they were going after this guy

420
00:17:49,010 --> 00:17:47,060
who was a very well-known

421
00:17:51,350 --> 00:17:49,020
ex-scientologists and Exia remember his

422
00:17:53,900 --> 00:17:51,360
name is Marty Rathbun Marty Rathbun was

423
00:17:56,030 --> 00:17:53,910
the number two guy in Scientology for a

424
00:17:57,800 --> 00:17:56,040
very long time he was David Miscavige

425
00:17:59,630 --> 00:17:57,810
his right-hand man and then he ended up

426
00:18:01,430 --> 00:17:59,640
leaving oh I don't know maybe like 10

427
00:18:02,420 --> 00:18:01,440
years ago or something like that he

428
00:18:05,540 --> 00:18:02,430
ended up leaving the Church of

429
00:18:08,180 --> 00:18:05,550
Scientology and he became a an outspoken

430
00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:08,190
critic for a little while and he ended

431
00:18:12,470 --> 00:18:09,690
up moving to Texas

432
00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:12,480
and doing his own Scientology thing

433
00:18:17,210 --> 00:18:14,490
basically means like he was being an

434
00:18:18,409 --> 00:18:17,220
auditor to other people outside the

435
00:18:20,389 --> 00:18:18,419
confines of the Church of Scientology

436
00:18:22,940 --> 00:18:20,399
and the church didn't like that so they

437
00:18:24,769 --> 00:18:22,950
sent people to his house regular public

438
00:18:26,869 --> 00:18:24,779
Scientologists like my parents they

439
00:18:28,850 --> 00:18:26,879
would send him to his house to basically

440
00:18:30,649 --> 00:18:28,860
just harass the out of him and they

441
00:18:32,450 --> 00:18:30,659
had these little hats and t-shirts made

442
00:18:35,450 --> 00:18:32,460
that say squirrel Buster's on them and

443
00:18:37,430 --> 00:18:35,460
they go they they they go to Marty

444
00:18:39,139 --> 00:18:37,440
Rathbun's house with cameras and you

445
00:18:42,139 --> 00:18:39,149
know what are you doing Marty your

446
00:18:43,700 --> 00:18:42,149
your-your-your squirreling Scientology

447
00:18:45,919 --> 00:18:43,710
technology and like they would just

448
00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:45,929
literally go just to harass them in fact

449
00:18:48,649 --> 00:18:47,250
what they did was is they bought the

450
00:18:50,810 --> 00:18:48,659
house or they rented the house across

451
00:18:53,539 --> 00:18:50,820
the street from where Marty lived and

452
00:18:56,389 --> 00:18:53,549
they had they had cameras pointing at

453
00:18:58,730 --> 00:18:56,399
his house 24/7 to monitor him they

454
00:19:01,220 --> 00:18:58,740
followed him places so the church of

455
00:19:04,460 --> 00:19:01,230
course found out that he was coming to

456
00:19:06,830 --> 00:19:04,470
Los Angeles which by the way they have

457
00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:06,840
Sea Org members that work for several

458
00:19:10,399 --> 00:19:08,610
different airlines as undercover

459
00:19:12,379 --> 00:19:10,409
operatives so that they can keep track

460
00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:12,389
of so that they can keep track of

461
00:19:18,259 --> 00:19:15,090
people's airline itineraries it's like a

462
00:19:20,570 --> 00:19:18,269
man it's really creepy so so of course

463
00:19:22,879 --> 00:19:20,580
the church knew like Oh Marty is coming

464
00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:22,889
to LA and they went to my parents and

465
00:19:29,419 --> 00:19:26,129
were like hey easy and Mary Ann we want

466
00:19:30,860 --> 00:19:29,429
you to go to LAX and confront Marty we

467
00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:30,870
want you to go and we want you to harass

468
00:19:34,669 --> 00:19:33,330
them we want you to try to like make him

469
00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:34,679
feel sorry for the things that he's

470
00:19:39,499 --> 00:19:36,450
doing we want to try to like do this and

471
00:19:41,269 --> 00:19:39,509
of course Marty carries a camera with

472
00:19:43,220 --> 00:19:41,279
him everywhere he goes because he knows

473
00:19:44,299 --> 00:19:43,230
that he's going to get harassed so is

474
00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:44,309
each eight came up to have a

475
00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:45,690
conversation and he's you know

476
00:19:48,799 --> 00:19:47,250
completing that he's just a guy who

477
00:19:51,169 --> 00:19:48,809
wants to have a straight conversation

478
00:19:52,610 --> 00:19:51,179
knowing our try flight reservations and

479
00:19:53,900 --> 00:19:52,620
he thinks it's really cool you think

480
00:19:55,610 --> 00:19:53,910
this is really cool

481
00:19:58,190 --> 00:19:55,620
do you think this is every quarter do

482
00:20:00,050 --> 00:19:58,200
you think this is really cool here oh

483
00:20:03,050 --> 00:20:00,060
you don't here is it's all you

484
00:20:05,300 --> 00:20:03,060
won't show it's all the bottom

485
00:20:08,030 --> 00:20:05,310
line is just where are you going

486
00:20:10,910 --> 00:20:08,040
the church is expanding like Texas as

487
00:20:11,540 --> 00:20:10,920
you okay hell no what are you gonna do

488
00:20:15,360 --> 00:20:11,550
that

489
00:20:19,260 --> 00:20:15,370
why do you care I always care

490
00:20:19,270 --> 00:20:24,800
who the devil is really

491
00:20:24,810 --> 00:20:32,170
what are you gonna do adjustable

492
00:20:32,180 --> 00:20:42,550
because I see what I see I have the

493
00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:55,480
winds that are

494
00:20:55,490 --> 00:20:59,010
delivery

495
00:21:04,210 --> 00:21:01,660
so the whole thing is on YouTube and the

496
00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:04,220
whole thing is on video and I watched it

497
00:21:09,130 --> 00:21:06,890
while I was still technically in

498
00:21:11,940 --> 00:21:09,140
Scientology but I was under the radar I

499
00:21:15,250 --> 00:21:11,950
was full Abra Gaston I could not believe

500
00:21:17,650 --> 00:21:15,260
and it still boggles my mind to this day

501
00:21:19,630 --> 00:21:17,660
that people in Scientology think that

502
00:21:22,180 --> 00:21:19,640
this actually does anything it just

503
00:21:24,220 --> 00:21:22,190
makes them look creepy and stupid yeah

504
00:21:26,530 --> 00:21:24,230
there's so when they go under you know

505
00:21:29,110 --> 00:21:26,540
yeah we've there's so many videos of

506
00:21:31,330 --> 00:21:29,120
them doing this yeah yeah and it's like

507
00:21:33,370 --> 00:21:31,340
you guys you're doing the opposite of

508
00:21:35,530 --> 00:21:33,380
what you should be doing it makes the it

509
00:21:38,140 --> 00:21:35,540
makes the Church of Scientology and it

510
00:21:41,410 --> 00:21:38,150
makes Scientologists themselves look

511
00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:41,420
like they're insane one honey - stop you

512
00:21:46,330 --> 00:21:43,010
know they need to stop doing it but of

513
00:21:48,340 --> 00:21:46,340
course Hubbard said never defend always

514
00:21:49,570 --> 00:21:48,350
attack and that's what they're going off

515
00:21:51,970 --> 00:21:49,580
of they're going off of Hubbard's

516
00:21:54,970 --> 00:21:51,980
writings because everything that he says

517
00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:54,980
is is the it is the truth and there's no

518
00:21:58,450 --> 00:21:57,050
way you can alter it well there you go I

519
00:22:00,880 --> 00:21:58,460
mean you gotta hand it to them they're

520
00:22:03,150 --> 00:22:00,890
sticking to - they're sticking with a

521
00:22:06,940 --> 00:22:03,160
gun quite a quote scripture yeah Wow

522
00:22:09,370 --> 00:22:06,950
okay so another big question people have

523
00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:09,380
about Scientology is the money aspect

524
00:22:13,870 --> 00:22:11,810
I've had it oh yeah a lot of my

525
00:22:15,700 --> 00:22:13,880
listeners were interested in that so

526
00:22:19,120 --> 00:22:15,710
with your experience in knowledge how

527
00:22:20,890 --> 00:22:19,130
how much does it really cost in this

528
00:22:23,170 --> 00:22:20,900
religion why is it so damn expensive

529
00:22:25,570 --> 00:22:23,180
from like what we've heard from members

530
00:22:28,630 --> 00:22:25,580
where does all that yeah go Kelly do you

531
00:22:30,730 --> 00:22:28,640
have any well yes I do

532
00:22:32,620 --> 00:22:30,740
because I myself have donated a lot of

533
00:22:34,570 --> 00:22:32,630
money and my and my parents have donated

534
00:22:37,930 --> 00:22:34,580
millions of dollars to this criminal

535
00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:37,940
organization so money money for them is

536
00:22:42,010 --> 00:22:39,290
the thing that makes the world go round

537
00:22:43,780 --> 00:22:42,020
they have these big giant fancy

538
00:22:45,340 --> 00:22:43,790
buildings you know that they're

539
00:22:47,050 --> 00:22:45,350
renovating all over the world

540
00:22:48,190 --> 00:22:47,060
which of course nobody is in they're

541
00:22:50,020 --> 00:22:48,200
mostly empty because there's not very

542
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:50,030
many Scientologists at the moment a lot

543
00:22:54,610 --> 00:22:52,010
of them have left but also Scientology

544
00:22:57,760 --> 00:22:54,620
is just the the the courses and the

545
00:23:00,100 --> 00:22:57,770
auditing are so expensive and the reason

546
00:23:02,230 --> 00:23:00,110
why if you ask someone from Scientology

547
00:23:03,490 --> 00:23:02,240
they will tell you oh well you know the

548
00:23:05,710 --> 00:23:03,500
reason why it's so expensive is because

549
00:23:09,370 --> 00:23:05,720
we need to make sure that the technology

550
00:23:11,140 --> 00:23:09,380
is kept exactly / Hubbard's orders and

551
00:23:12,460 --> 00:23:11,150
make sure that it's that it's delivered

552
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:12,470
exactly the way it's suppose

553
00:23:15,700 --> 00:23:14,450
to be and stuff and I get that but when

554
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:15,710
you look at the fact that Sea Org

555
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:17,570
members are getting paid slave labor

556
00:23:22,750 --> 00:23:19,490
wages they're getting paid fifty or

557
00:23:25,120 --> 00:23:22,760
sixty bucks a week the the auditing has

558
00:23:28,149 --> 00:23:25,130
been there the technology has been there

559
00:23:30,909 --> 00:23:28,159
for decades yet they still publish oh

560
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:30,919
look we we just discovered another book

561
00:23:34,380 --> 00:23:32,330
or we just discovered another lecture

562
00:23:38,380 --> 00:23:34,390
and they print out these really glossy

563
00:23:41,020 --> 00:23:38,390
fancy looking books and lectures on CDs

564
00:23:44,500 --> 00:23:41,030
and things like that so the majority of

565
00:23:47,020 --> 00:23:44,510
the money is going to well first of all

566
00:23:49,210 --> 00:23:47,030
let me just add this first the courses

567
00:23:51,039 --> 00:23:49,220
in the auditing themselves to get from

568
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:51,049
the purification rundown which is at the

569
00:23:55,149 --> 00:23:53,330
very first step on the bridge all the

570
00:23:56,620 --> 00:23:55,159
way up to the top of the bridge that

571
00:23:59,440 --> 00:23:56,630
they can deliver at the moment which is

572
00:24:00,610 --> 00:23:59,450
ot8 costs about two hundred and fifty

573
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:00,620
thousand dollars total

574
00:24:05,710 --> 00:24:03,530
that's only that's only for the auditing

575
00:24:08,140 --> 00:24:05,720
and the courses that you need to take to

576
00:24:10,930 --> 00:24:08,150
get there yes that is really really

577
00:24:13,690 --> 00:24:10,940
expensive but that does not include the

578
00:24:15,549 --> 00:24:13,700
donations the the the voluntary

579
00:24:17,799 --> 00:24:15,559
donations that you have to make all the

580
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:17,809
way up the for example when you get to

581
00:24:23,260 --> 00:24:21,010
flag when you get to the the the

582
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:23,270
spiritual headquarters that are located

583
00:24:26,950 --> 00:24:24,530
in Clearwater Florida

584
00:24:29,260 --> 00:24:26,960
let's say you just finished OT three or

585
00:24:30,850 --> 00:24:29,270
ot four at the big blue building and

586
00:24:33,279 --> 00:24:30,860
you're like oh I want to go to flag to

587
00:24:36,700 --> 00:24:33,289
do ot five six and seven you get there

588
00:24:38,950 --> 00:24:36,710
and you are pounced on from people who

589
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:38,960
are trying to suck money out of you they

590
00:24:45,070 --> 00:24:41,090
they have so many different offshoot

591
00:24:47,289 --> 00:24:45,080
organizations that do various different

592
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:47,299
like what they call social betterment

593
00:24:51,100 --> 00:24:49,490
activities they have the way to

594
00:24:53,380 --> 00:24:51,110
happiness foundation that that

595
00:24:56,380 --> 00:24:53,390
distributes Hubbard's book called the

596
00:24:58,570 --> 00:24:56,390
way to happiness to places where there's

597
00:25:00,190 --> 00:24:58,580
a lot of violence they have the the

598
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:00,200
world Institute of Scientology

599
00:25:04,779 --> 00:25:01,970
enterprises which uses Scientology

600
00:25:06,100 --> 00:25:04,789
technology and businesses they have the

601
00:25:08,500 --> 00:25:06,110
Association for better living in

602
00:25:11,110 --> 00:25:08,510
education which does like teaching poor

603
00:25:12,460 --> 00:25:11,120
kids how to read or stuff like that so

604
00:25:14,380 --> 00:25:12,470
like there's all these things that you

605
00:25:16,060 --> 00:25:14,390
can donate to they have the the

606
00:25:17,500 --> 00:25:16,070
International Association of

607
00:25:19,090 --> 00:25:17,510
Scientologists which is a membership

608
00:25:20,350 --> 00:25:19,100
that everybody is required to be a

609
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:20,360
member of if you want to be a

610
00:25:24,340 --> 00:25:22,850
Scientologist but they pressure you so

611
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:24,350
hard to keep doing all these donations

612
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:25,850
and just giving them more and more

613
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:28,490
more more money eventually to answer

614
00:25:32,409 --> 00:25:30,530
your question all of the money ends up

615
00:25:35,830 --> 00:25:32,419
going straight to the top to where David

616
00:25:38,470 --> 00:25:35,840
Miscavige's and it gets put into a giant

617
00:25:39,940 --> 00:25:38,480
basically like a giant war chest because

618
00:25:41,740 --> 00:25:39,950
there's so many lawsuits against

619
00:25:44,470 --> 00:25:41,750
Scientology and they have to pay an

620
00:25:47,260 --> 00:25:44,480
enormous amount of money to lawyers and

621
00:25:48,930 --> 00:25:47,270
and and and people too that can protect

622
00:25:53,110 --> 00:25:48,940
them from attacks and things like that

623
00:25:56,650 --> 00:25:53,120
what they think are so-called attacks

624
00:25:59,230 --> 00:25:56,660
and people who even the smaller churches

625
00:26:01,029 --> 00:25:59,240
of Scientology they have to pay weekly

626
00:26:02,980 --> 00:26:01,039
fees that go all the way up to the top

627
00:26:05,500 --> 00:26:02,990
where David Miscavige is up at the top

628
00:26:07,570 --> 00:26:05,510
of the of the of the upper echelons just

629
00:26:09,580 --> 00:26:07,580
just to use the Scientology technology

630
00:26:11,740 --> 00:26:09,590
none of it is free for them either

631
00:26:13,299 --> 00:26:11,750
so the parishioner comes in the person

632
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:13,309
who comes in and pays them money a

633
00:26:17,350 --> 00:26:15,770
portion of that has to go up so it's

634
00:26:20,289 --> 00:26:17,360
sort of like it just keeps going up the

635
00:26:22,060 --> 00:26:20,299
up the chain of the chain of command

636
00:26:24,190 --> 00:26:22,070
eventually it all ends up in David

637
00:26:25,630 --> 00:26:24,200
Miscavige's pocket he gets the he's the

638
00:26:27,730 --> 00:26:25,640
only ceiling member that gets the

639
00:26:31,630 --> 00:26:27,740
private jets he's the only see remember

640
00:26:33,460 --> 00:26:31,640
that gets the multiple houses and condos

641
00:26:35,620 --> 00:26:33,470
all over the world he's the only see

642
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:35,630
remember that gets his suits you know

643
00:26:40,029 --> 00:26:37,010
that are tailored by like some of the

644
00:26:41,830 --> 00:26:40,039
most expensive tailors in Italy you know

645
00:26:43,630 --> 00:26:41,840
even though he's really even though he's

646
00:26:44,950 --> 00:26:43,640
really short and doesn't and doesn't

647
00:26:47,799 --> 00:26:44,960
require a lot of material it's still

648
00:26:51,820 --> 00:26:47,809
expensive Scientology has now come of

649
00:26:53,770 --> 00:26:51,830
age and our footprint is massively more

650
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:53,780
over our presence will soon grow even

651
00:26:59,500 --> 00:26:56,690
greater with still more ideal orgs but

652
00:27:02,220 --> 00:26:59,510
let's not forget what power Scientology

653
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:02,230
is the one-on-one contact we're in a

654
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:05,210
Scientologist touches that secret

655
00:27:11,500 --> 00:27:07,970
chamber in every human heart where

656
00:27:13,750 --> 00:27:11,510
freedom beckons so if ever there was a

657
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:13,760
time to call yourself a Scientologist in

658
00:27:18,279 --> 00:27:15,850
the most consummate sense of the word

659
00:27:21,070 --> 00:27:18,289
ascending the bridge with resolute

660
00:27:23,980 --> 00:27:21,080
intention supporting ideal orgs with

661
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:23,990
equal resolution and immersing

662
00:27:30,250 --> 00:27:25,850
yourselves in any of our sectors or

663
00:27:32,799 --> 00:27:30,260
campaigns well that time is now yeah

664
00:27:35,710 --> 00:27:32,809
dude I mean this the whole story of

665
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:35,720
David Miscavige I read his father's book

666
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:37,170
about him and like how

667
00:27:41,270 --> 00:27:40,170
came to power and took over the the

668
00:27:43,310 --> 00:27:41,280
church and everything that's a whole

669
00:27:45,500 --> 00:27:43,320
other story which we won't get into yeah

670
00:27:46,970 --> 00:27:45,510
but his own father his own father says

671
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:46,980
he's a piece of and he's spoken

672
00:27:52,910 --> 00:27:50,490
again so it's crazy yeah at age 16 David

673
00:27:54,620 --> 00:27:52,920
Miscavige joins the Sea Org the

674
00:27:56,450 --> 00:27:54,630
religious order of the church and

675
00:27:59,330 --> 00:27:56,460
develops a close relationship with

676
00:28:02,210 --> 00:27:59,340
Church founder l ron Hubbard in 1986

677
00:28:05,090 --> 00:28:02,220
when Hubbard dies David takes control

678
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:05,100
taking the title chairman of the board

679
00:28:10,220 --> 00:28:07,890
by this time David's father ron has also

680
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:10,230
joined the sea or pretty quickly Ron

681
00:28:15,790 --> 00:28:13,170
says he notices his son's sharp edge to

682
00:28:19,010 --> 00:28:15,800
new management style David his backstage

683
00:28:22,940 --> 00:28:19,020
literally tearing me apart verbally for

684
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:22,950
55 minutes cursing yelling screaming at

685
00:28:27,350 --> 00:28:24,810
me one night at a church event in the

686
00:28:29,540 --> 00:28:27,360
late 1980s where Ron is performing he

687
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:29,550
says David gives him an extended tongue

688
00:28:33,950 --> 00:28:31,890
lashing with other people looking on

689
00:28:36,470 --> 00:28:33,960
what he's screaming at you do you ever

690
00:28:36,950 --> 00:28:36,480
think I changed this guy's diapers no

691
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:36,960
kidding

692
00:28:41,090 --> 00:28:39,090
of course I did have you ever met

693
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:41,100
Miscavige I mean I know many times

694
00:28:47,530 --> 00:28:43,650
pretty far up there really okay well

695
00:28:52,340 --> 00:28:50,390
do you enjoy true stories of the

696
00:28:54,980 --> 00:28:52,350
supernatural from the people who

697
00:28:58,130 --> 00:28:54,990
experienced it well then you might like

698
00:29:01,100 --> 00:28:58,140
my show Jim Harold's campfire hi I'm Jim

699
00:29:03,830 --> 00:29:01,110
and we've been doing the show since 2009

700
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:03,840
and we talk about ghosts cryptic

701
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:06,810
creatures UFOs head scratchers you name

702
00:29:11,060 --> 00:29:08,730
it and you tune in and you might hear a

703
00:29:14,390 --> 00:29:11,070
story like this one and as he was

704
00:29:17,870 --> 00:29:14,400
driving home he encountered a shadow

705
00:29:21,170 --> 00:29:17,880
person who seemed to be dressed like a

706
00:29:24,170 --> 00:29:21,180
monk I know that sounds very strange but

707
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:24,180
it was a solid black form and it was

708
00:29:29,890 --> 00:29:26,130
wearing a hooded cloak

709
00:29:33,740 --> 00:29:29,900
tied at the waist with the cloak up and

710
00:29:37,330 --> 00:29:33,750
it had glowing red eyes he sees this

711
00:29:40,370 --> 00:29:37,340
thing coming out of a really teeny

712
00:29:42,230 --> 00:29:40,380
abandoned Cemetery if you haven't tuned

713
00:29:45,170 --> 00:29:42,240
in I hope you'll check us out you can

714
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:45,180
find us on Apple podcasts Spotify and

715
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:47,970
wherever podcasts are heard it's Jim

716
00:29:53,630 --> 00:29:50,610
Harold's campfire and you can find it at

717
00:29:58,820 --> 00:29:53,640
Harold calm thanks so much and stay

718
00:30:01,370 --> 00:29:58,830
spooky well this was back in that like

719
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:01,380
the late 90s in the in the early 2000s

720
00:30:05,150 --> 00:30:02,850
because of who my parents are

721
00:30:08,930 --> 00:30:05,160
he was very very nice to me he was very

722
00:30:11,390 --> 00:30:08,940
nice to me he's extremely like I said

723
00:30:14,930 --> 00:30:11,400
before he's extremely short he's very

724
00:30:17,930 --> 00:30:14,940
intense but he has the type of

725
00:30:20,270 --> 00:30:17,940
personality that when you're when you're

726
00:30:21,830 --> 00:30:20,280
talking to him he makes you feel like

727
00:30:25,250 --> 00:30:21,840
you're the only person in the room so I

728
00:30:27,740 --> 00:30:25,260
can see how he can be very very charming

729
00:30:30,260 --> 00:30:27,750
but then years later I learned that he

730
00:30:32,330 --> 00:30:30,270
has a very violent side I mean he

731
00:30:35,419 --> 00:30:32,340
physically beat the out of so on

732
00:30:37,130 --> 00:30:35,429
multiple occasions I mean just beat the

733
00:30:39,260 --> 00:30:37,140
living out of some of the other

734
00:30:40,930 --> 00:30:39,270
Scientology executives and stuff and you

735
00:30:43,700 --> 00:30:40,940
would never know it unless you actually

736
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:43,710
saw it because in person when I met him

737
00:30:51,169 --> 00:30:46,890
he was he's a very has a very intense

738
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:51,179
glare and stared to his eyes so yeah

739
00:30:55,940 --> 00:30:53,730
yeah it's really really creepy I've

740
00:30:58,100 --> 00:30:55,950
heard those testimonies from some of his

741
00:31:01,400 --> 00:30:58,110
higher-ups about what he's done so yeah

742
00:31:03,740 --> 00:31:01,410
yes I can't imagine you know where that

743
00:31:06,110 --> 00:31:03,750
all is right now but I did have a lot of

744
00:31:08,690 --> 00:31:06,120
listeners also asked what are your

745
00:31:11,060 --> 00:31:08,700
theories about his wife that's not the

746
00:31:12,890 --> 00:31:11,070
other whole mysterious thing like no

747
00:31:15,260 --> 00:31:12,900
one's seen or heard from this woman in

748
00:31:19,220 --> 00:31:15,270
like 10 years or so Shelly Miscavige

749
00:31:22,220 --> 00:31:19,230
yeah well my theory is that she's she's

750
00:31:24,620 --> 00:31:22,230
in the same position as anybody else in

751
00:31:27,020 --> 00:31:24,630
the in the see organization that has

752
00:31:29,810 --> 00:31:27,030
gotten into severe ethics trouble she's

753
00:31:31,909 --> 00:31:29,820
being kept under watch she's probably at

754
00:31:33,799 --> 00:31:31,919
their secret base up it I mean the rumor

755
00:31:36,230 --> 00:31:33,809
is is that she's being held up at the

756
00:31:37,730 --> 00:31:36,240
secret base in Twin Peaks which is like

757
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:37,740
way up in the San Bernardino Mountains

758
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:39,570
here in Southern California they have a

759
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:41,850
secret base up there Leah I think Leah

760
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:44,250
Remini and Mike in some time in their

761
00:31:48,110 --> 00:31:46,290
last season they actually drove up there

762
00:31:50,539 --> 00:31:48,120
and you can just google it and like look

763
00:31:53,450 --> 00:31:50,549
at and like look at pictures of it but

764
00:31:55,370 --> 00:31:53,460
she's being held somewhere because she

765
00:31:58,610 --> 00:31:55,380
was that she was the queen of

766
00:32:01,040 --> 00:31:58,620
Scientology if Dave was there at any

767
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:01,050
event that I went to Shelly was by his

768
00:32:06,860 --> 00:32:04,530
side and she was there talking to us and

769
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:06,870
and take and taking care of him like

770
00:32:12,650 --> 00:32:09,690
that was her full-time job was was being

771
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:12,660
his assistant and then like Leah said

772
00:32:16,670 --> 00:32:14,850
many many times she just disappeared she

773
00:32:17,990 --> 00:32:16,680
filed a missing-persons report and then

774
00:32:20,990 --> 00:32:18,000
the police came back and they were like

775
00:32:23,210 --> 00:32:21,000
this report is unfounded so they so we

776
00:32:25,370 --> 00:32:23,220
assume that somebody talked to her but

777
00:32:26,690 --> 00:32:25,380
again it's like people who say that oh

778
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:26,700
you know she's being held against her

779
00:32:31,580 --> 00:32:28,130
will and stuff like that no she's not

780
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:31,590
she is so brainwashed and she's so

781
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:34,170
afraid of saying anything negative about

782
00:32:37,460 --> 00:32:36,570
David Miscavige or about about

783
00:32:40,580 --> 00:32:37,470
Scientology

784
00:32:42,860 --> 00:32:40,590
if the police showed up and talked to

785
00:32:44,390 --> 00:32:42,870
her she would say what did what the hell

786
00:32:45,770 --> 00:32:44,400
are you talking about I'm not being held

787
00:32:48,230 --> 00:32:45,780
I'm not being held against my will

788
00:32:50,990 --> 00:32:48,240
yeah I'm perfectly fine it's the same

789
00:32:53,570 --> 00:32:51,000
thing like if the FBI or some government

790
00:32:55,850 --> 00:32:53,580
agency decided to do a raid on any on

791
00:32:58,070 --> 00:32:55,860
any Church of Scientology where people

792
00:33:00,230 --> 00:32:58,080
are being held under watch they would do

793
00:33:02,300 --> 00:33:00,240
the same thing they ninety-nine percent

794
00:33:03,020 --> 00:33:02,310
of the people would be oh I'm not being

795
00:33:05,930 --> 00:33:03,030
held against my will

796
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:05,940
I'm I'm here of my own volition you know

797
00:33:09,290 --> 00:33:07,770
this is my religion because that's what

798
00:33:12,260 --> 00:33:09,300
you're trained to do the the

799
00:33:14,330 --> 00:33:12,270
brainwashing and the mental conditioning

800
00:33:18,470 --> 00:33:14,340
that you go through you protect the

801
00:33:21,770 --> 00:33:18,480
church above and beyond all costs Church

802
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:21,780
first individual seconds so I'm sure

803
00:33:25,730 --> 00:33:23,130
that that's where she is I'm sure she's

804
00:33:28,430 --> 00:33:25,740
still completely brainwashed and she's

805
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:28,440
really really scared of of ever speaking

806
00:33:32,060 --> 00:33:29,610
out she doesn't think she ever has a

807
00:33:33,830 --> 00:33:32,070
life outside of Scientology mm-hmm which

808
00:33:36,260 --> 00:33:33,840
a lot of you know don't and that's why

809
00:33:38,690 --> 00:33:36,270
there are no ready to leave and what I'm

810
00:33:40,490 --> 00:33:38,700
sure members tell them like what life

811
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:40,500
will you have outside of this year right

812
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:42,810
you've never been educated outside the

813
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:44,010
right Scientology

814
00:33:48,500 --> 00:33:45,570
you've never worked outside of the

815
00:33:50,450 --> 00:33:48,510
religion like is right that's terrifying

816
00:33:53,450 --> 00:33:50,460
I mean imagine if you were a CEO

817
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:53,460
remember working at the gold base which

818
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:55,290
is their international headquarters it's

819
00:33:59,570 --> 00:33:57,210
in it's it's near Palm Springs

820
00:34:01,280 --> 00:33:59,580
mm-hmm it's supposed to be a secret base

821
00:34:03,140 --> 00:34:01,290
but of course nothing nothing is secret

822
00:34:04,670 --> 00:34:03,150
as I told you but imagine if you were

823
00:34:07,850 --> 00:34:04,680
see remember there you grew up in

824
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:07,860
Scientology your parents are our Sea Org

825
00:34:11,149 --> 00:34:09,450
members you don't have a driver's

826
00:34:12,950 --> 00:34:11,159
license you don't have a credit card you

827
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:12,960
have no you have no bank account you

828
00:34:18,020 --> 00:34:15,210
have no credit history where the hell

829
00:34:18,350 --> 00:34:18,030
would you go you know that if you walked

830
00:34:20,630 --> 00:34:18,360
out

831
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:20,640
front door and never and and never look

832
00:34:25,460 --> 00:34:23,610
back you physically could do it but you

833
00:34:27,230 --> 00:34:25,470
would lose your entire family you would

834
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:27,240
lose all of your friends if you were

835
00:34:31,700 --> 00:34:29,570
married and your wife was still there

836
00:34:32,510 --> 00:34:31,710
she would know she she would probably

837
00:34:34,010 --> 00:34:32,520
never speak to you again

838
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:34,020
you literally but starting from scratch

839
00:34:38,510 --> 00:34:36,090
and here you are you know a 30 year old

840
00:34:39,590 --> 00:34:38,520
or 40 year old person it like just

841
00:34:41,570 --> 00:34:39,600
basically just starting out from scratch

842
00:34:43,700 --> 00:34:41,580
I get why people don't leave because

843
00:34:45,710 --> 00:34:43,710
they're really scared to and they're

844
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:45,720
scared of losing everything their entire

845
00:34:52,010 --> 00:34:49,170
life would be would would be a waste so

846
00:34:53,930 --> 00:34:52,020
I get it I get it - yes which is

847
00:34:56,150 --> 00:34:53,940
unfortunate that we get it oh it's

848
00:34:59,930 --> 00:34:56,160
horrible it's horrible all right well

849
00:35:03,970 --> 00:34:59,940
I'm on a lighter note joy okay a pop

850
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:03,980
band what oh god what is this

851
00:35:10,370 --> 00:35:07,410
Scientology had their own like in sync

852
00:35:13,070 --> 00:35:10,380
as it were what is this all about in

853
00:35:17,720 --> 00:35:13,080
you're a meddler all right yes yes yes

854
00:35:21,110 --> 00:35:20,420
no it's so I won't make you soon I

855
00:35:23,270 --> 00:35:21,120
promise

856
00:35:26,650 --> 00:35:23,280
thank you please cuz I can't sing very

857
00:35:29,870 --> 00:35:26,660
well so there there's this group called

858
00:35:32,750 --> 00:35:29,880
kids on stage for a better world it was

859
00:35:34,490 --> 00:35:32,760
this group of young Scientology kids

860
00:35:36,410 --> 00:35:34,500
that could sing and dance though it was

861
00:35:39,170 --> 00:35:36,420
sponsored by Celebrity Centre and when I

862
00:35:42,140 --> 00:35:39,180
was a kid they got they got together a

863
00:35:46,370 --> 00:35:42,150
group of like maybe 30 or 40 kids and we

864
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:46,380
sang songs and we did dances and we did

865
00:35:50,780 --> 00:35:49,410
performances mostly at the celebrity

866
00:35:52,460 --> 00:35:50,790
Center but you know they would send us

867
00:35:54,170 --> 00:35:52,470
out into the community for you you know

868
00:35:56,150 --> 00:35:54,180
like at the at the like they'd send us

869
00:35:58,010 --> 00:35:56,160
to the LA County Fair or they would send

870
00:35:59,720 --> 00:35:58,020
us to you know places where they were

871
00:36:01,130 --> 00:35:59,730
having like big public gatherings and we

872
00:36:12,900 --> 00:36:01,140
would sing songs that were mostly

873
00:36:12,910 --> 00:36:25,250
[Applause]

874
00:36:25,260 --> 00:36:31,020
[Music]

875
00:36:38,620 --> 00:36:35,559
particularly about different lessons or

876
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:38,630
precepts that Hubbard had wrote so it's

877
00:36:43,599 --> 00:36:40,490
just another Scientology front group to

878
00:36:45,579 --> 00:36:43,609
try to to try to put Scientology in the

879
00:36:47,260 --> 00:36:45,589
front line and make a safeguard for it I

880
00:36:49,599 --> 00:36:47,270
guess you know they have a lot of those

881
00:36:51,910 --> 00:36:49,609
things but ya know it was it was it was

882
00:36:55,470 --> 00:36:51,920
a very embarrassing time in my aim and

883
00:36:58,870 --> 00:36:55,480
we've all been there we all have that

884
00:37:03,630 --> 00:36:58,880
Home Videos in my friends basement of us

885
00:37:06,849 --> 00:37:03,640
being WWF wrestlers so that's awesome

886
00:37:08,500 --> 00:37:06,859
yeah yeah exactly and unfortunately a

887
00:37:10,930 --> 00:37:08,510
lot of those videos are still on YouTube

888
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:10,940
so oh man yeah I know what I'm doing

889
00:37:17,589 --> 00:37:15,770
after this anyways alright well I won't

890
00:37:19,299 --> 00:37:17,599
I won't embarrass you too much with that

891
00:37:22,930 --> 00:37:19,309
one again we all know what that feels

892
00:37:24,700 --> 00:37:22,940
like we all know so I guess kind of

893
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:24,710
getting personal with you as an

894
00:37:29,710 --> 00:37:27,650
individual outside of this religion what

895
00:37:32,349 --> 00:37:29,720
would you say to anyone out there who

896
00:37:34,569 --> 00:37:32,359
might be considering Scientology or

897
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:34,579
joining any other organization like this

898
00:37:39,370 --> 00:37:36,530
what is the one thing you would say to

899
00:37:41,950 --> 00:37:39,380
them I would say run as far away as you

900
00:37:44,079 --> 00:37:41,960
possibly can especially with Scientology

901
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:44,089
because it's like you're gonna spend so

902
00:37:48,460 --> 00:37:45,890
much money you're gonna get sucked into

903
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:48,470
this cult it's just it's just not worth

904
00:37:53,530 --> 00:37:51,410
it I get that everybody in life is

905
00:37:56,079 --> 00:37:53,540
always looking for spur something

906
00:37:57,370 --> 00:37:56,089
everybody wants the answers they want to

907
00:37:59,079 --> 00:37:57,380
know the meaning of life they want to

908
00:38:00,730 --> 00:37:59,089
know you know like the basic questions

909
00:38:04,180 --> 00:38:00,740
like what is the meaning of life what

910
00:38:05,289 --> 00:38:04,190
happens when I die and you religious

911
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:05,299
questions like that like is there a

912
00:38:09,819 --> 00:38:06,530
heaven or hell or something like that

913
00:38:11,710 --> 00:38:09,829
and that's something that I think that

914
00:38:13,780 --> 00:38:11,720
people can just figure it out on their

915
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:13,790
own if you want to study something about

916
00:38:17,559 --> 00:38:15,890
Scientology do it for free on the

917
00:38:19,059 --> 00:38:17,569
internet that's my biggest thing with

918
00:38:22,599 --> 00:38:19,069
Scientology if you wanted to become a

919
00:38:24,190 --> 00:38:22,609
Catholic you go into any Catholic Church

920
00:38:26,289 --> 00:38:24,200
or Protestant Church or whatever you

921
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:26,299
want to study the materials are there

922
00:38:29,950 --> 00:38:28,490
the bible is free you don't have to pay

923
00:38:31,070 --> 00:38:29,960
money to them if you wanted to study

924
00:38:33,020 --> 00:38:31,080
about Judaism

925
00:38:36,130 --> 00:38:33,030
go to it go to a temple or go to a

926
00:38:39,620 --> 00:38:36,140
synagogue and read the Torah it's free

927
00:38:41,750 --> 00:38:39,630
Scientology charges people for salvation

928
00:38:43,940 --> 00:38:41,760
that's the biggest thing that drives me

929
00:38:46,250 --> 00:38:43,950
crazy I mean you know outside of the

930
00:38:47,900 --> 00:38:46,260
physical abuse and the sexual abuse and

931
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:47,910
the mint and the medical malpractice and

932
00:38:53,810 --> 00:38:51,930
all that stuff but no but but it's the

933
00:38:55,820 --> 00:38:53,820
fact that they charge for it that should

934
00:38:57,680 --> 00:38:55,830
be that should be the thing that makes

935
00:38:59,630 --> 00:38:57,690
you go okay no this is that

936
00:39:01,820 --> 00:38:59,640
should be the guy totally that should be

937
00:39:04,250 --> 00:39:01,830
the completely the biggest one oh yeah

938
00:39:06,050 --> 00:39:04,260
so if you want to study Scientology do

939
00:39:07,790 --> 00:39:06,060
it you can do it for free everything is

940
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:07,800
on the internet you can go to a library

941
00:39:11,210 --> 00:39:09,810
even I'm sure they have a couple older

942
00:39:13,790 --> 00:39:11,220
Scientology books that are still there

943
00:39:16,720 --> 00:39:13,800
who knows who knows so I've seen them

944
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:16,730
everywhere Elrond yes everywhere

945
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:19,290
everywhere oh yeah that's crazy well I

946
00:39:23,630 --> 00:39:21,330
mean okay so after going through this

947
00:39:25,250 --> 00:39:23,640
entire ordeal for like literally your

948
00:39:27,950 --> 00:39:25,260
entire life joy where do you find

949
00:39:29,780 --> 00:39:27,960
yourself now in terms of like spiritual

950
00:39:33,410 --> 00:39:29,790
beliefs I imagine that must have been a

951
00:39:35,570 --> 00:39:33,420
pretty hard journey to find something

952
00:39:36,530 --> 00:39:35,580
new to believe in after all of it I know

953
00:39:40,370 --> 00:39:36,540
I know

954
00:39:42,470 --> 00:39:40,380
well it's funny cuz it's weird cuz with

955
00:39:44,900 --> 00:39:42,480
my upbringing I was raised Jewish but

956
00:39:47,750 --> 00:39:44,910
also in Scientology which is a which is

957
00:39:49,670 --> 00:39:47,760
which is a really bizarre thing my my

958
00:39:52,850 --> 00:39:49,680
grandparents on my dad's side they were

959
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:52,860
Orthodox Jews you know so I had a I had

960
00:39:57,590 --> 00:39:55,890
a Bar Mitzvah we used to have Passover

961
00:39:58,790 --> 00:39:57,600
meals every single year we would go to

962
00:40:00,860 --> 00:39:58,800
Temple for the height for the High

963
00:40:02,030 --> 00:40:00,870
Holidays every single year I've always

964
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:02,040
had to do a little bit of both the

965
00:40:06,140 --> 00:40:04,050
Judaism part of my life we just sort of

966
00:40:07,610 --> 00:40:06,150
did it you know for the for the sake of

967
00:40:09,620 --> 00:40:07,620
my grandparents and for the sake of

968
00:40:12,140 --> 00:40:09,630
tradition but it's really funny too

969
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:12,150
because when I was in prison I became

970
00:40:15,650 --> 00:40:14,130
friends with a lot of the a lot of the

971
00:40:17,630 --> 00:40:15,660
other Jewish inmates there about I don't

972
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:17,640
know maybe 10 or 12 of us and every

973
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:19,290
Friday night we would have a Shabbat

974
00:40:22,190 --> 00:40:20,610
dinner which I thought was really

975
00:40:24,890 --> 00:40:22,200
interesting it was actually kind of

976
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:24,900
enjoyable so I'm not gonna go running

977
00:40:28,580 --> 00:40:26,850
back to a particular original and say

978
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:28,590
like oh I'm like a full blown Jew now

979
00:40:34,310 --> 00:40:31,050
but I think that spiritually I'm at a

980
00:40:36,530 --> 00:40:34,320
place where I I know that I can be happy

981
00:40:38,240 --> 00:40:36,540
and I know that I don't have all the

982
00:40:39,770 --> 00:40:38,250
answers but I'm not gonna go spending

983
00:40:41,420 --> 00:40:39,780
any more time looking through them

984
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:41,430
because I've wasted far too much time

985
00:40:45,710 --> 00:40:43,410
with that already understandable

986
00:40:47,990 --> 00:40:45,720
yeah yeah I mean you know we struggle

987
00:40:51,799 --> 00:40:48,000
with our own problems in the Catholic

988
00:40:54,799 --> 00:40:51,809
Church obviously yeah yeah it's sort of

989
00:40:56,599 --> 00:40:54,809
I I get that you know like justjust do

990
00:40:58,700 --> 00:40:56,609
you that's what I always tell everyone

991
00:41:01,279 --> 00:40:58,710
just do you that's that's great advice

992
00:41:03,109 --> 00:41:01,289
and and and I think that goes for most

993
00:41:05,809 --> 00:41:03,119
other religions too as far as the answer

994
00:41:07,970 --> 00:41:05,819
absolutely well I've got a couple

995
00:41:09,789 --> 00:41:07,980
listener questions here joy before we

996
00:41:14,870 --> 00:41:09,799
kind of wrap things up if you don't mind

997
00:41:17,690 --> 00:41:14,880
sure cool sure sure so Cameron asks

998
00:41:20,150 --> 00:41:17,700
should we be afraid of Scientology or is

999
00:41:22,609 --> 00:41:20,160
it a dying religion it definitely is a

1000
00:41:24,620 --> 00:41:22,619
dying religion there's no reason to be

1001
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:24,630
afraid of it anymore there

1002
00:41:28,249 --> 00:41:26,130
their numbers have dwindled down

1003
00:41:30,529 --> 00:41:28,259
significantly there's hardly anybody

1004
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:30,539
else that's that considers themself a

1005
00:41:34,990 --> 00:41:32,130
Scientologist and thanks to the internet

1006
00:41:38,019 --> 00:41:35,000
you know cuz back in the you know 80s

1007
00:41:40,609 --> 00:41:38,029
and even in the even in the early 90s

1008
00:41:41,930 --> 00:41:40,619
you only saw Scientology for what they

1009
00:41:43,190 --> 00:41:41,940
called themselves or what they said

1010
00:41:44,690 --> 00:41:43,200
about themselves but now you can

1011
00:41:47,390 --> 00:41:44,700
actually see the truth of it there's so

1012
00:41:49,339 --> 00:41:47,400
many YouTube videos where people talk

1013
00:41:51,529 --> 00:41:49,349
with ex-scientologists and like videos

1014
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:51,539
of people being chased and Pete and

1015
00:41:55,130 --> 00:41:53,130
people doing the squirrel busting as you

1016
00:41:56,930 --> 00:41:55,140
said earlier so yeah no there's nothing

1017
00:41:58,940 --> 00:41:56,940
to be afraid of in Scientology I mean

1018
00:42:00,230 --> 00:41:58,950
they might threaten to sue you or they

1019
00:42:01,609 --> 00:42:00,240
might do this or they might do that but

1020
00:42:04,099 --> 00:42:01,619
they're not gonna get very far any more

1021
00:42:06,499 --> 00:42:04,109
yeah I've been friend to be sued a few

1022
00:42:08,930 --> 00:42:06,509
times now so I'm okay with that yeah

1023
00:42:11,420 --> 00:42:08,940
this who cares yeah who cares right

1024
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:11,430
so Laura asks at what moment did you

1025
00:42:16,900 --> 00:42:13,890
feel freedom from all this what did that

1026
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:16,910
feel like for you that's a good question

1027
00:42:21,349 --> 00:42:19,650
well when I went when I became public

1028
00:42:23,720 --> 00:42:21,359
with the thing that happened in federal

1029
00:42:25,730 --> 00:42:23,730
court that was a very freeing moment for

1030
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:25,740
me because I was obviously really

1031
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:27,930
nervous about it because I knew what I

1032
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:29,490
knew what was gonna happen I knew that

1033
00:42:33,109 --> 00:42:30,930
my family would disconnect from me and I

1034
00:42:35,990 --> 00:42:33,119
knew that I would lose most of my former

1035
00:42:38,779 --> 00:42:36,000
Scientology friends but at the same time

1036
00:42:40,099 --> 00:42:38,789
it's like it was sort of like a it it

1037
00:42:43,009 --> 00:42:40,109
was sort of like turning over a new leaf

1038
00:42:45,109 --> 00:42:43,019
for me and it still it it's still very

1039
00:42:46,700 --> 00:42:45,119
scary I'm still you know learning to

1040
00:42:48,319 --> 00:42:46,710
deal with the everyday struggles of life

1041
00:42:50,660 --> 00:42:48,329
because I've never had to deal with that

1042
00:42:52,249 --> 00:42:50,670
before you know on the one hand I would

1043
00:42:54,710 --> 00:42:52,259
always have my parents to fall back on

1044
00:42:56,780 --> 00:42:54,720
and I would also have Scientology to

1045
00:42:58,040 --> 00:42:56,790
have as

1046
00:43:00,530 --> 00:42:58,050
you know it's like a source to try to

1047
00:43:01,940 --> 00:43:00,540
keep me busy despite all of the security

1048
00:43:03,140 --> 00:43:01,950
checking and stuff I thought that it was

1049
00:43:05,090 --> 00:43:03,150
the right thing to do at the time but

1050
00:43:08,710 --> 00:43:05,100
then once I realized it was all

1051
00:43:11,870 --> 00:43:08,720
speaking out about it and the thought of

1052
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:11,880
maybe helping other people that are in

1053
00:43:16,310 --> 00:43:14,490
my same situation or were in my same

1054
00:43:19,490 --> 00:43:16,320
situation especially people who are

1055
00:43:21,260 --> 00:43:19,500
LGBTQ in Scientology or any other cult

1056
00:43:24,070 --> 00:43:21,270
the feeling that I might be helping by

1057
00:43:27,230 --> 00:43:24,080
speaking out is a huge comfort to me Oh

1058
00:43:28,940 --> 00:43:27,240
huge huge huge huge yeah that's great

1059
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:28,950
yeah I mean ya can't ask for more than

1060
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:31,650
that to hear that like you can come out

1061
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:35,490
on the other side as an OG pdq from

1062
00:43:39,380 --> 00:43:37,770
something like this like yeah I can

1063
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:39,390
imagine it's very inspiring for those

1064
00:43:44,810 --> 00:43:42,210
maybe still trapped in it or those who

1065
00:43:47,030 --> 00:43:44,820
you know even outside of Scientology

1066
00:43:49,340 --> 00:43:47,040
just have not come out yet so I know

1067
00:43:50,690 --> 00:43:49,350
that's no great it's great that you can

1068
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:50,700
find the positives in it for sure

1069
00:43:55,490 --> 00:43:53,610
definitely oh yeah I mean I talked to a

1070
00:43:56,810 --> 00:43:55,500
person who's still I think there's a

1071
00:43:59,120 --> 00:43:56,820
year ago or so I'm like that I talked to

1072
00:44:01,850 --> 00:43:59,130
a person on Facebook who is still in

1073
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:01,860
Scientology but but is still in the in

1074
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:04,650
the closet is gay and still in the in

1075
00:44:08,900 --> 00:44:07,290
the closet as a as an anti Scientologist

1076
00:44:11,150 --> 00:44:08,910
and and you know he was he was

1077
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:11,160
struggling but you know he watched a

1078
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:13,050
youtube video that I did about it about

1079
00:44:16,550 --> 00:44:14,370
a year ago and he said that that really

1080
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:16,560
helped him he hopefully will come out on

1081
00:44:20,750 --> 00:44:18,930
both aspects one of these days but you

1082
00:44:23,900 --> 00:44:20,760
know we'll see we'll see what happens

1083
00:44:26,300 --> 00:44:23,910
okay so Shefford asks what is up with

1084
00:44:30,230 --> 00:44:26,310
the underground vaults in New Mexico

1085
00:44:32,690 --> 00:44:30,240
what what is this oh yes so there's this

1086
00:44:34,820 --> 00:44:32,700
thing called the that the Church of

1087
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:34,830
Scientology does is called preservation

1088
00:44:39,860 --> 00:44:36,930
of the tech project and tech means

1089
00:44:41,990 --> 00:44:39,870
technology like the the writings in the

1090
00:44:43,070 --> 00:44:42,000
scriptures and the and the lectures of

1091
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:43,080
Scientology and Hubbard

1092
00:44:47,780 --> 00:44:45,690
so Hubbard instructed a long time ago

1093
00:44:50,500 --> 00:44:47,790
that all of his writing and all of his

1094
00:44:53,270 --> 00:44:50,510
lectures be preserved in case of a

1095
00:44:55,010 --> 00:44:53,280
nuclear holocaust or in case the world

1096
00:44:57,860 --> 00:44:55,020
gets hit by an asteroid or comes to an

1097
00:45:00,620 --> 00:44:57,870
end he wants the scientology technology

1098
00:45:02,810 --> 00:45:00,630
to be preserved for thousands and

1099
00:45:05,300 --> 00:45:02,820
thousands of years so over the last

1100
00:45:08,780 --> 00:45:05,310
couple of decades actually they've been

1101
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:08,790
developing this this preservation

1102
00:45:12,850 --> 00:45:10,530
project where they take

1103
00:45:16,250 --> 00:45:12,860
of his writings that are etched on

1104
00:45:19,570 --> 00:45:16,260
titanium metal plates the plates are

1105
00:45:21,860 --> 00:45:19,580
then put inside of these titanium

1106
00:45:26,270 --> 00:45:21,870
containers that are filled with argon

1107
00:45:29,500 --> 00:45:26,280
gas and put and put into a another

1108
00:45:32,900 --> 00:45:29,510
airtight container his lectures are

1109
00:45:35,870 --> 00:45:32,910
etched onto like nickel and copper

1110
00:45:37,250 --> 00:45:35,880
records and also put into these

1111
00:45:38,720 --> 00:45:37,260
containers and then they put them in

1112
00:45:41,180 --> 00:45:38,730
these underground vaults there's one in

1113
00:45:44,330 --> 00:45:41,190
New Mexico they did a piece on the on

1114
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:44,340
the preservation project that aired a

1115
00:45:47,930 --> 00:45:45,810
couple of months ago on their

1116
00:45:49,700 --> 00:45:47,940
Scientology TV network so they're not

1117
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:49,710
hightly they're not hiding the fact that

1118
00:45:53,870 --> 00:45:50,850
they're doing it I'm sure if you went to

1119
00:45:55,910 --> 00:45:53,880
YouTube and you know saw it I mean I'm

1120
00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:55,920
sure you would see it there so basically

1121
00:45:59,560 --> 00:45:57,450
they have these underground vaults

1122
00:46:02,390 --> 00:45:59,570
there's one in New Mexico there's one in

1123
00:46:06,110 --> 00:46:02,400
Arizona I believe but it's basically

1124
00:46:08,510 --> 00:46:06,120
they are preparing for if the worst of

1125
00:46:11,030 --> 00:46:08,520
the worst possibly happens and most of

1126
00:46:13,580 --> 00:46:11,040
humanity is wiped out and they want to

1127
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:13,590
make sure that Scientology's writings

1128
00:46:18,650 --> 00:46:16,170
and Hubbard's words are available for

1129
00:46:20,810 --> 00:46:18,660
someone to discover at some future date

1130
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:20,820
and apparently they said that it can

1131
00:46:27,020 --> 00:46:23,850
like these these these type titanium

1132
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:27,030
cases and things can last up to 5,000

1133
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:29,370
years and cancer and can survive a

1134
00:46:33,620 --> 00:46:31,410
nuclear blast I don't know exactly what

1135
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:33,630
the numbers are but that's that's what

1136
00:46:38,870 --> 00:46:36,210
that is interesting that's you know I

1137
00:46:41,720 --> 00:46:38,880
kind of get am and like I'm old school I

1138
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:41,730
I still have all my CDs and DVDs because

1139
00:46:49,190 --> 00:46:44,010
I'm telling you this whole cloud thing

1140
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:49,200
is gonna fall apart someday surprise I

1141
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:50,970
totally get what they're going for but

1142
00:46:56,300 --> 00:46:53,690
why couldn't we do like Shakespeare or

1143
00:46:57,710 --> 00:46:56,310
write or something something of actual

1144
00:47:00,380 --> 00:46:57,720
importance like all right what if you're

1145
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:00,390
king yeah oh my god I know it's just

1146
00:47:04,940 --> 00:47:02,930
yeah it's a it's a it but again

1147
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:04,950
Scientologists are that's where a lot of

1148
00:47:09,020 --> 00:47:07,530
the money is going to they base all of

1149
00:47:11,780 --> 00:47:09,030
their all that stuff is all from

1150
00:47:13,460 --> 00:47:11,790
donations the parishioners have to give

1151
00:47:16,370 --> 00:47:13,470
them millions and millions of dollars to

1152
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:16,380
buy the property to get the technology

1153
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:19,410
to each these writings on metal titanium

1154
00:47:23,900 --> 00:47:22,290
plates and the staff too to live there

1155
00:47:25,789 --> 00:47:23,910
and watch over it and store it all

1156
00:47:27,289 --> 00:47:25,799
the thing it's like it's crazy you know

1157
00:47:29,870 --> 00:47:27,299
the whole donations thing I want to

1158
00:47:31,670 --> 00:47:29,880
touch on that in a little bonus patreon

1159
00:47:32,720 --> 00:47:31,680
episode with you if you don't mind in

1160
00:47:35,270 --> 00:47:32,730
just a minute

1161
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:35,280
oh cool so we're gonna get to that with

1162
00:47:40,490 --> 00:47:37,890
celebrities in Scientology but I've got

1163
00:47:43,190 --> 00:47:40,500
one more listener question for you okay

1164
00:47:45,020 --> 00:47:43,200
Kyle asks what does this symbol of

1165
00:47:47,809 --> 00:47:45,030
Scientology represent I've actually

1166
00:47:49,579 --> 00:47:47,819
never thought about that okay so the

1167
00:47:52,819 --> 00:47:49,589
symbol of Scientology is the two

1168
00:47:54,770 --> 00:47:52,829
triangles with the S through it the S

1169
00:47:59,059 --> 00:47:54,780
obviously stands for Scientology and the

1170
00:48:01,760 --> 00:47:59,069
two triangles are basic their basic

1171
00:48:05,240 --> 00:48:01,770
tenets of Scientology the first triangle

1172
00:48:08,210 --> 00:48:05,250
is called the AR C triangle and the AR C

1173
00:48:13,549 --> 00:48:08,220
stands for affinity reality and

1174
00:48:16,099 --> 00:48:13,559
communication so the AR C triangle is a

1175
00:48:17,809 --> 00:48:16,109
very basic tenet of Scientology and it's

1176
00:48:20,359 --> 00:48:17,819
one of those things that Hubbard has

1177
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:20,369
written a lot of books and things about

1178
00:48:24,049 --> 00:48:22,890
and it's very convoluted and complicated

1179
00:48:25,970 --> 00:48:24,059
I'm not going to go into it but that's

1180
00:48:29,210 --> 00:48:25,980
not stance 4 and then and then the

1181
00:48:30,670 --> 00:48:29,220
second triangle is the KRC triangle

1182
00:48:34,519 --> 00:48:30,680
which stands for knowledge

1183
00:48:36,289 --> 00:48:34,529
responsibility and control so the two so

1184
00:48:38,930 --> 00:48:36,299
the two triangles just represent like

1185
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:38,940
the two sort of basic logics or the

1186
00:48:43,279 --> 00:48:40,650
basic tenets of Scientology with that

1187
00:48:49,069 --> 00:48:43,289
with the S through it that's all yeah

1188
00:48:51,980 --> 00:48:49,079
Father Son Holy Spirit for me let's see

1189
00:48:55,130 --> 00:48:51,990
here okay so as I mentioned before I met

1190
00:48:56,779 --> 00:48:55,140
you at coffee for Sasquatch in LA yes I

1191
00:48:59,390 --> 00:48:56,789
always saw you right in a way in the

1192
00:49:01,220 --> 00:48:59,400
corner man so I remember you saying that

1193
00:49:03,410 --> 00:49:01,230
you were you were working on a journal

1194
00:49:06,559 --> 00:49:03,420
about all of your your experiences in

1195
00:49:10,519 --> 00:49:06,569
Scientology so can we expect to ever see

1196
00:49:12,980 --> 00:49:10,529
any of this you can I don't know when

1197
00:49:14,990 --> 00:49:12,990
but the what I was actually writing was

1198
00:49:18,049 --> 00:49:15,000
is that while it was in prison I have a

1199
00:49:21,019 --> 00:49:18,059
lot of time on my hands I came and yes

1200
00:49:23,750 --> 00:49:21,029
so I mean I I read I read a ton of books

1201
00:49:26,299 --> 00:49:23,760
when I was in there I exercise every

1202
00:49:28,339 --> 00:49:26,309
single day I lost like 20 22 pounds I

1203
00:49:29,870 --> 00:49:28,349
think when I was in there I had an

1204
00:49:31,339 --> 00:49:29,880
amazing tan too because I was spending

1205
00:49:32,809 --> 00:49:31,349
most of my time out on the running track

1206
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:32,819
or playing tennis and stuff like that

1207
00:49:37,580 --> 00:49:34,410
it's weird cuz it sounds like I was at a

1208
00:49:39,380 --> 00:49:37,590
retreat it was a federal prison for

1209
00:49:41,330 --> 00:49:39,390
yeah it was it was federal prison you

1210
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:41,340
know they had a tennis court and a

1211
00:49:46,220 --> 00:49:43,610
volleyball court and they had a tread

1212
00:49:48,650 --> 00:49:46,230
treadmills and ellipticals so it wasn't

1213
00:49:51,050 --> 00:49:48,660
it wasn't like a like orange is the new

1214
00:49:55,460 --> 00:49:51,060
black type of prison right but what I

1215
00:49:58,220 --> 00:49:55,470
was so I wrote a ton of journals while I

1216
00:50:01,040 --> 00:49:58,230
was in prison talking about you know

1217
00:50:02,930 --> 00:50:01,050
sort of like like daily daily life at a

1218
00:50:04,550 --> 00:50:02,940
federal prison camp but also talking

1219
00:50:06,650 --> 00:50:04,560
about a lot of the experiences in

1220
00:50:08,570 --> 00:50:06,660
Scientology and just putting everything

1221
00:50:10,700 --> 00:50:08,580
on paper so when you saw me at coffee

1222
00:50:13,220 --> 00:50:10,710
for Sasquatch sitting in the corner

1223
00:50:14,590 --> 00:50:13,230
I was transcribing all of the journals

1224
00:50:18,230 --> 00:50:14,600
that I had wrote and putting him into

1225
00:50:20,510 --> 00:50:18,240
electronic form Wow and I knew I knew

1226
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:20,520
and never knew any of this about you

1227
00:50:26,090 --> 00:50:24,330
it's crazy yeah so the so it's I'm

1228
00:50:28,190 --> 00:50:26,100
hoping that it's going to be a book the

1229
00:50:30,740 --> 00:50:28,200
book is written like I'm just like the

1230
00:50:35,620 --> 00:50:30,750
the the journal pages have all been

1231
00:50:38,060 --> 00:50:35,630
transcribed I am currently looking for a

1232
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:38,070
litlle Junt and a litt manager and

1233
00:50:42,620 --> 00:50:39,810
hopefully we will be able to get this

1234
00:50:44,180 --> 00:50:42,630
book published I'm hoping by next year

1235
00:50:46,580 --> 00:50:44,190
but we'll see yeah see what happens

1236
00:50:47,150 --> 00:50:46,590
awesome and I yeah the feeling trust me

1237
00:50:49,490 --> 00:50:47,160
I've been there

1238
00:50:52,970 --> 00:50:49,500
yes that's curious again just getting

1239
00:50:54,470 --> 00:50:52,980
the word out there and who knows who

1240
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:54,480
will read it and be inspired to either

1241
00:50:59,960 --> 00:50:56,850
leave or never get going that's the big

1242
00:51:03,710 --> 00:50:59,970
thing yep exactly well in terms of like

1243
00:51:05,210 --> 00:51:03,720
leaving and you know the struggle of

1244
00:51:07,490 --> 00:51:05,220
having been born into this and then

1245
00:51:09,650 --> 00:51:07,500
leaving is there anything you miss or

1246
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:09,660
that you credit to Scientology it's like

1247
00:51:15,110 --> 00:51:12,690
a good thing in your life anything that

1248
00:51:17,630 --> 00:51:15,120
I miss I do miss some of the people

1249
00:51:19,850 --> 00:51:17,640
there most of them most of the people

1250
00:51:23,150 --> 00:51:19,860
that are still in Scientology are are

1251
00:51:25,790 --> 00:51:23,160
pretty terrible people some of them are

1252
00:51:29,450 --> 00:51:25,800
not though some of them are are truly

1253
00:51:31,550 --> 00:51:29,460
victims like I was and you know I miss

1254
00:51:33,170 --> 00:51:31,560
some of the some of the friends that

1255
00:51:36,620 --> 00:51:33,180
I've had for like a very long time one

1256
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:36,630
of my closest friends that you know we

1257
00:51:40,940 --> 00:51:38,570
we went to the same Scientology school

1258
00:51:42,530 --> 00:51:40,950
you know we known each other for like 20

1259
00:51:45,530 --> 00:51:42,540
years or 25 years or something like that

1260
00:51:47,810 --> 00:51:45,540
and she just like like without even a

1261
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:47,820
question about it as soon as someone

1262
00:51:51,380 --> 00:51:49,490
called her and said Oh Joe he's been

1263
00:51:53,059 --> 00:51:51,390
declared suppressive persons

1264
00:51:55,430 --> 00:51:53,069
like oh that's it I can't I can't talk

1265
00:51:56,990 --> 00:51:55,440
to any more mm-hmm you know so for

1266
00:51:58,910 --> 00:51:57,000
someone to turn like that on a dime it

1267
00:52:03,980 --> 00:51:58,920
was pretty is pretty heart-wrenching but

1268
00:52:06,019 --> 00:52:03,990
I think that I missed those the the the

1269
00:52:07,519 --> 00:52:06,029
people and then to answer your other

1270
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:07,529
question as far as any part of

1271
00:52:11,150 --> 00:52:09,690
Scientology that's helped me a lot of

1272
00:52:13,549 --> 00:52:11,160
the beginning stuff inside in

1273
00:52:15,230 --> 00:52:13,559
Scientology is Freudian psychology

1274
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:15,240
Hubbard just put his own like little

1275
00:52:20,690 --> 00:52:17,970
weird spin on it so when I was a kid I

1276
00:52:23,150 --> 00:52:20,700
had a really I was very shy as a kid and

1277
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:23,160
I had a little bit of a stammer a little

1278
00:52:26,809 --> 00:52:25,410
bit of a stutter so I did the

1279
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:26,819
communications course and the

1280
00:52:30,230 --> 00:52:28,170
communication course I thought was

1281
00:52:32,450 --> 00:52:30,240
really fun I stopped I mean I still

1282
00:52:35,329 --> 00:52:32,460
start her a little bit but it's way

1283
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:35,339
better than it was before and it got rid

1284
00:52:38,690 --> 00:52:37,170
of a little bit of my shyness it got rid

1285
00:52:42,559 --> 00:52:38,700
of a little I got I had a little bit of

1286
00:52:44,839 --> 00:52:42,569
stage fright and so in that aspect that

1287
00:52:46,849 --> 00:52:44,849
helped but you know it's the it's the

1288
00:52:48,799 --> 00:52:46,859
basic things once you start talking

1289
00:52:50,210 --> 00:52:48,809
about Xenu and the OT levels and things

1290
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:50,220
like that that's when it's like a kid

1291
00:52:55,609 --> 00:52:52,890
that that that doesn't help anything at

1292
00:52:57,799 --> 00:52:55,619
all got it muddies the mourners I'm very

1293
00:52:59,150 --> 00:52:57,809
used to that in the UFO as well my

1294
00:53:01,999 --> 00:52:59,160
friend oh yeah

1295
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:02,009
digging through you know the the noise

1296
00:53:06,499 --> 00:53:03,930
to find the signal as it were that's

1297
00:53:10,130 --> 00:53:06,509
kind of what we go yeah yeah basically I

1298
00:53:12,380 --> 00:53:10,140
said well Joey dude this was incredible

1299
00:53:14,990 --> 00:53:12,390
I can't thank you enough for sharing all

1300
00:53:17,870 --> 00:53:15,000
of this with us it's just been like

1301
00:53:20,390 --> 00:53:17,880
fascinating to me to finally hear from

1302
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:20,400
someone who who made it out on the other

1303
00:53:25,519 --> 00:53:22,890
side and just willing to talk about it

1304
00:53:27,769 --> 00:53:25,529
and it's just a good person like you

1305
00:53:29,839 --> 00:53:27,779
said like well thank you that's so sweet

1306
00:53:32,079 --> 00:53:29,849
yeah absolutely man like you said this

1307
00:53:34,730 --> 00:53:32,089
religion it seems to find a lot of

1308
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:34,740
negative bad people or it makes them

1309
00:53:38,809 --> 00:53:36,930
into those but you were able to learn

1310
00:53:40,999 --> 00:53:38,819
from all of that and again like it was

1311
00:53:43,460 --> 00:53:41,009
such a pleasure meeting you hearing your

1312
00:53:45,079 --> 00:53:43,470
story and if any of our listeners want

1313
00:53:47,269 --> 00:53:45,089
to reach out to you are you comfortable

1314
00:53:50,240 --> 00:53:47,279
with giving any sort of like your

1315
00:53:52,190 --> 00:53:50,250
socials or anything else yeah yeah they

1316
00:53:53,900 --> 00:53:52,200
can they can find that Facebook or they

1317
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:53,910
can also just email me if you want to

1318
00:53:56,390 --> 00:53:55,650
give up my email address to them yeah

1319
00:53:58,940 --> 00:53:56,400
absolutely

1320
00:54:00,890 --> 00:53:58,950
I can definitely do that okay sure yeah

1321
00:54:03,410 --> 00:54:00,900
definitely cool and then we're gonna do

1322
00:54:04,130 --> 00:54:03,420
a little bonus patreon episode here to

1323
00:54:06,950 --> 00:54:04,140
wrap things up

1324
00:54:08,240 --> 00:54:06,960
but before we go Joey thank you so so

1325
00:54:10,340 --> 00:54:08,250
much for joining Oh Adam on this

1326
00:54:12,230 --> 00:54:10,350
absolutely absolutely this was so much

1327
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:12,240
fun thank you so much for for for doing

1328
00:54:15,740 --> 00:54:12,810
it with me

1329
00:54:18,770 --> 00:54:15,750
thank you that is it for this two-part

1330
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:18,780
series but before I leave you I just

1331
00:54:23,690 --> 00:54:20,970
wanted to say that this wasn't an easy

1332
00:54:26,930 --> 00:54:23,700
interview to conduct I mean Joey was

1333
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:26,940
great and we joked around and Joey is

1334
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:29,610
extremely personable and easy to talk to

1335
00:54:33,380 --> 00:54:31,650
but when I actually sat down and

1336
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:33,390
processed the interview while I was

1337
00:54:39,500 --> 00:54:35,570
editing I found myself feeling

1338
00:54:43,550 --> 00:54:39,510
overwhelmed with anger and sadness not

1339
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:43,560
pity but just sad Joey lost his entire

1340
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family from all this he may never speak

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00:54:52,060 --> 00:54:49,410
to any of them ever again in all because

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of a fictional rule by a science-fiction

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00:54:57,800 --> 00:54:55,080
religion that says if you challenge the

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church you are disconnected from it and

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entirely you're left alone in the world

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and thrown away to fend for yourself

1347
00:55:09,530 --> 00:55:07,590
luckily Joey was able to do that but I'm

1348
00:55:12,890 --> 00:55:09,540
sure there's just as many people out

1349
00:55:15,470 --> 00:55:12,900
there who aren't that Bucky he was able

1350
00:55:19,010 --> 00:55:15,480
to move on with his life find new

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00:55:21,350 --> 00:55:19,020
friends and new family he found love and

1352
00:55:23,900 --> 00:55:21,360
acceptance and he came out a better

1353
00:55:27,740 --> 00:55:23,910
person but there are so many people

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still trapped in Scientology and if any

1355
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of them just happened to be listening

1356
00:55:36,410 --> 00:55:33,540
tonight I urge you take the chance talk

1357
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:36,420
to someone get out of this as quick as

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00:55:39,950 --> 00:55:37,050
you can

1359
00:55:42,230 --> 00:55:39,960
I know it can't be easy but there are

1360
00:55:44,990 --> 00:55:42,240
people out there willing to talk to you

1361
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:45,000
just like Joey who can help you find

1362
00:55:51,350 --> 00:55:48,690
family and community all over again in a

1363
00:55:53,570 --> 00:55:51,360
brand new light so when it comes to

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Scientology we have heard tantalizing

1365
00:55:59,030 --> 00:55:56,130
stories come out in the past decade or

1366
00:56:00,950 --> 00:55:59,040
so amplified by ex members like Joey

1367
00:56:03,380 --> 00:56:00,960
coming forward to tell their stories

1368
00:56:06,050 --> 00:56:03,390
they're been documentaries television

1369
00:56:09,140 --> 00:56:06,060
shows podcasts YouTube channels covering

1370
00:56:12,140 --> 00:56:09,150
every aspect of this deeply flawed or

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00:56:14,720 --> 00:56:12,150
legend and in a desperate attempt to

1372
00:56:16,819 --> 00:56:14,730
keep this cult going they have launched

1373
00:56:20,900 --> 00:56:16,829
the scientology TV

1374
00:56:26,539 --> 00:56:20,910
work which streams 24/7 bringing us all

1375
00:56:28,849 --> 00:56:26,549
into Scientology like never before it's

1376
00:56:31,430 --> 00:56:28,859
clear that even after all of these

1377
00:56:33,829 --> 00:56:31,440
stories all the people destroyed

1378
00:56:38,209 --> 00:56:33,839
mentally emotionally physically and

1379
00:56:39,349 --> 00:56:38,219
spiritually Scientology is not giving up

1380
00:56:41,329 --> 00:56:39,359
anytime soon

1381
00:56:44,539 --> 00:56:41,339
but I hope that after hearing Joey's

1382
00:56:47,839 --> 00:56:44,549
story and by looking between the lines

1383
00:56:50,569 --> 00:56:47,849
of the propaganda and promises of a

1384
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:50,579
better life people will wake up and

1385
00:56:55,249 --> 00:56:52,650
realize that if you want spiritual

1386
00:56:59,509 --> 00:56:55,259
freedom it shouldn't come with a price

1387
00:57:01,910 --> 00:56:59,519
tag it should come from within what

1388
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:01,920
frightens me even more is that I've seen

1389
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:04,650
similar cult-like tendencies within the

1390
00:57:11,059 --> 00:57:08,130
UFO field as well gurus and

1391
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:11,069
self-proclaimed leaders of enlightenment

1392
00:57:16,999 --> 00:57:14,249
and disclosure and completely fraudulent

1393
00:57:19,309 --> 00:57:17,009
individuals claiming that they have all

1394
00:57:22,219 --> 00:57:19,319
the answers to the UFO question and

1395
00:57:24,829 --> 00:57:22,229
beyond I've seen friends and colleagues

1396
00:57:28,219 --> 00:57:24,839
head down a path of disorienting

1397
00:57:30,979 --> 00:57:28,229
conspiracies and fantasy and no matter

1398
00:57:34,339 --> 00:57:30,989
what you tell them they are so deeply

1399
00:57:37,459 --> 00:57:34,349
entrenched and indoctrinated that

1400
00:57:39,949 --> 00:57:37,469
getting them out seems impossible but I

1401
00:57:43,099 --> 00:57:39,959
urge you if someone tells you they have

1402
00:57:46,279 --> 00:57:43,109
all the answers you seek and you need

1403
00:57:49,509 --> 00:57:46,289
only follow them their message and give

1404
00:57:52,609 --> 00:57:49,519
them all your money please just run

1405
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:52,619
nobody has the answers to any of this

1406
00:57:59,900 --> 00:57:56,130
they probably never will in the UFO

1407
00:58:02,839 --> 00:57:59,910
field is better than that you are better

1408
00:58:06,109 --> 00:58:02,849
than that we are all on our own personal

1409
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:06,119
journey in this life and while we may

1410
00:58:10,039 --> 00:58:08,130
hitch a ride every now and again with

1411
00:58:12,170 --> 00:58:10,049
others in hopes of feeling a sense of

1412
00:58:15,589 --> 00:58:12,180
belonging or community

1413
00:58:18,709 --> 00:58:15,599
just remember communities help one

1414
00:58:21,109 --> 00:58:18,719
another they don't harm you or ask you

1415
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:21,119
to disconnect from the rest of the world

1416
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:25,650
like Scientology does alright enough of

1417
00:58:29,989 --> 00:58:27,930
the preaching thank you again for

1418
00:58:30,750 --> 00:58:29,999
listening to the series and if you'd

1419
00:58:33,090 --> 00:58:30,760
like to hear of

1420
00:58:35,130 --> 00:58:33,100
special bonus interview with Joey be

1421
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:35,140
sure to join the patreon campaign right

1422
00:58:40,590 --> 00:58:37,930
now we talk all about some very

1423
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:40,600
surprising members of Scientology you

1424
00:58:45,780 --> 00:58:42,850
might not have known about and so much

1425
00:58:47,580 --> 00:58:45,790
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00:58:50,430 --> 00:58:47,590
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00:58:53,130 --> 00:58:50,440
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1428
00:58:54,630 --> 00:58:53,140
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1429
00:58:59,510 --> 00:58:54,640
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1430
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:02,940
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00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:14,380
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00:59:22,500 --> 00:59:19,630
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00:59:25,590 --> 00:59:22,510
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00:59:27,750 --> 00:59:25,600
fresh rogue planet and especially to you

1439
00:59:30,420 --> 00:59:27,760
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00:59:32,430 --> 00:59:30,430
week and remember keep your feet on the

1441
00:59:39,330 --> 00:59:32,440
ground but never stop searching

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01:00:13,969 --> 01:00:08,940
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01:00:16,439 --> 01:00:13,979
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01:00:18,179 --> 01:00:16,449
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